High point vent and Low point drain

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17 years 1 month ago - 17 years 1 month ago #8632 by sabir
What is High point vent and Low point drain…..?

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17 years 1 month ago - 17 years 1 month ago #3962 by ashokaa
Replied by ashokaa on topic Re: High point vent and Low point drain
hi Sabir,

i don't know how much my answers will satisfy you, anyway here are the answers,

Normally we need a drain system @ lowest point in every line. this valve will use to remove the liquid from this line while maintence and remove the air (for avoid the air pocket).[/list]

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17 years 1 month ago - 17 years 1 month ago #3963 by Jop
Replied by Jop on topic Vents and Drains
High Point Vents and Low point Drains
High Point Vents and Low point Drains. What are they? Why do we have them? These are both very good questions. So let’s us take a look at some answers to these questions.
First you might ask if there are there other types of vents. Yes, there are other types of vents. And by association there are also other types of drains besides the Low Point Drain. There are the Process vents and there are the Process drains. The process vent and process drain is provided for multiple usages during the proper active operation for which the plant was designed.
Every plant that is built with piping systems must insure that the piping systems are properly fabricated, installed and safe. Some of these systems may have very hot or very cold or hazardous or toxic chemicals in them. These types of commodities can kill, maim or seriously injure the operators working in one of these plants or the people living around these plants.
In order to insure that a piping system is secure, the system must be tested and properly prepared prior to start-up. The method used for this testing is to fill the system with water and then apply pressure. This is called “Hydro-testing.” Hydro-testing can be done with other types of fluids but water is the normal choice. The water, under pressure will seek and find weak points in the piping system and then squirt out. Water under pressure is not as dangerous as a normal commodity such as high pressure steam or sulfuric acid. Some systems only need to be tested for tightness. Others must be tested then because the water is not compatible with the process, it must be flushed with a solvent or other cleaning agent to remove the water. For this Hydro-test to be done and be affective the system must be absolutely and completely full of water (or other fluid).
In order to completely fill a piping system you must be able to get all the air out of the pipes. The air will naturally accumulate in the high points of the system. Thus we install “high point vents” to be able to get rid of the air. Once the test is completed we must be able to get rid of or drain out all the water. The water naturally gravitates down to the low points of the system. So we install “low point drains.”
Hydro-test vents and drains are normally ¾” or 1” in size. Most of these vents and drains are only used when the plant is first built or when a system is modified and must be retested. These vents and drains do not always require valves. Some plants only install temporary valves for use during the testing process. After the test the valve is removed and a plug is installed. Other plants may use some selected hydro-test vents or drains as process start-up vents or drains so the valves installed in these are retained. Still other plants require that all hydro-test valves be permanently installed and plugged.
In conclusion, high point vents and low point drains are a small but important and necessary detail of the piping system in a process plant.

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17 years 1 month ago - 17 years 1 month ago #3966 by 11echo
Replied by 11echo on topic In my part of the
In my part of the world, we don't worry too much about hi pt. vents and drains. As JOP has pointed out they are use for hydro-testing the line, and the hi pt. vents and drains are use only during that operation. Also as he pointed out that at the end of this operation they are normally pulled out and permanently plugged (unless a vent or drain is needed for normal operation of that line & we locate these). We normally just let the contractor locate and install these connections. After all they are the people that have to deal with them, and who can better judge the number and location!? We just add a dozen or so extra 3/4" valves and fitting to cover these on the MTO.
You could send a fair amount of time and effort on these connections, time better utilized on the over all design effort. I'm sure this "philosophy" will rub some designers the wrong way, but working with limited budgets and looming deadlines it makes perfect sense. My $0.02 anyway.

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16 years 2 months ago - 16 years 2 months ago #4526 by juan1977
Replied by juan1977 on topic We normally just let the
We normally just let the contractor locate and install these connections. After all they are the people that have to deal with them, and who can better judge the number and location!? We just add a dozen or so extra 3/4" valves and fitting to cover these on the MTO.

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Contractor does the piping based on the drawing issued as AFC. If its not on the drawing, then it dont get installed. You also want to control the cost and managed the early completion of the project and assure the owner that the piping was built to spec.

Leaving it to the contractor judgement - i just dont get it. Note that for a major construction wherein pipe work eats around 30% of the cost, a few dozen here and there involving several km of pipe thats a bundle of money. Thats the easy part, the hard part is maintaining the vents/drains for the life cycle of the plant - the resources needed will be signicant.

No - i dont think i'll leave it to the judgement of the contractor.

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16 years 2 months ago - 16 years 2 months ago #4537 by 11echo
Replied by 11echo on topic juan1977 ...I'm not making blanket
juan1977 ...I'm not making blanket statements that is expected to cover ALL aspects of Piping Design world wide. I am stating normal operating/design procedures in my part of the world. As a designer I think you'll agree that you have to remain flexible ...one design concept that worked on one project may NOT be acceptable on another.
Here we use "professional contractors" and it is stated up front what they will be reasonable for. "IF" a vent or drain is required for operation/maintenance then it is designated in the design. But paying me to pin point every vent and drain for hydro-testing, knowing they will be pulled and permanently plugged after the fact is a waste of time/effort/money in the design process. And that is where using "professionals" comes into play. They do this type of work ALL the time, who would know better where to apply vents and drain then the people who do the hydro-testing as a profession!??
Now in your part of the world, you might grab people off the street, with limited construction experience, and then your statements make perfect sense. But if you want to be a world class designer you’ll need to know how things are done on all side of the world and be prepared to produce a design under those “guidelines”. ...AGAIN my $0.02

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