PDS Clarification

I am A Plant Design Engg for 3 years,
I have been in PDS, I have taken care of Areas by my own.

But I dnt Think I am Doing wat a Plant Design Engg has to do, I dont have a clear picture to were I should start.

All I know about piping is upto what I worked and got from Exp.

I see People here haveing superiour knowledge and The questions are like I can never even think about these stuff.

Please help me out. I know its gono be a long road to walk but I am ready for it, Please guide me to what topics I have to go through or study.

Thank you.
Nazim.

I will go through the training manual this time thank you.

Jop,

EXCELLENT reply!!!!!

You are right, one day there is going to be one almighty accident as a result of these guys who have 'Done' PDS or PDMS. Its not a game boy or an XBox!! If you dont have the basic design skills and training you should not in my opinion, be let anywhere near a live Project!!

When I started out in the world of Contracting, every interview I attended I was given a small 'task' to do, either on a CAD station or on paper, OK, so it wasnt perfect, but at least the prospective employer could see you had the background.

Does that happen these days???? Errm.... No!!!

You know this whole situation stems from decisions made back in the early to mid-80’s. Somewhere in the big company “think tanks” they came up with the idea that they could layoff all the older engineers and just keep the younger engineers …after all they can push around the numbers just as well as the “older (more expensive) types” can! …They’d keep one or two of the older guys to ride herd on the younger ones. Then, unfortunately, they focused on the design/drafting group! Why keep a dept. of these people when you can farm out any projects as needed.
Also at this time (I’m thinking Murphy’s Law here) AutoCAD poked its ugly head up! Now in a profession where standards and convention was the rule, AutoCAD was like the torpedo that sunk that ship! It now becomes more “important” to know how to run a computer program then it did on how to do a design or to document a design! AND to complicate matters a number of older designers/draftsmen decided to retire early rather than to have to learn a whole new way of doing things!
…So things plugged along, and this system was “working” …project were not that large, and construction could “fudge” things to get the system in and working. It has fumbled along in this manner for about 10 plus years now. …BUT now things are different! Major projects are looming and with the attrition rate of the last decade the design/drafting group number & capabilities are lacking! Yes we have a number of “CAD jockeys” around. They can run all the programs with out any problems! …EXCEPT they don’t have any idea how to a design, or what do to make a “proper” drawing! So what you have now are “young engineers” that make red line mark ups that are passed to CAD jockeys who put them in a drawing VERBATUM, and call it good! Engineers are not draftsmen! And most are not close to being designers either! They’ve never learned (from older guys) how things are done or what they are supposed to look like! And trying to do it now is like explaining what the color red looks like to a blind person! …I face this problem daily!
AND that “think tank” that has help make this situation, has come up with the new idea to farm the engineering/design/drafting out to third world nations that would gladly work for pennies on the dollars! It all makes sense …letting people do the job for a price that is much less then what it would cost else where! …Good economics thinking!!! …EXCEPT the people that “think” they can do the job CAN’T! …And the people that should know DON”T! It’s as simple as that! …AND this is not going to change …no matter what the computer program salesman tells you!!!
Sorry to highjack this thread, but I needed to publicly “VENT”! …And again these are my own ranting & ravings! …Mark