Bruce Raymond

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    Bruce Raymond
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    polypropylene pipe is a strange animal.. and a piping system with it has particular challenges: lets start with the basics
    what size piping has been specified??
    is the flow constant or intermittent??
    Has a pipe manufacturer been selected??
    what is the proposed pipe routing???

    and as always – 1st take the initiative and investigate your post on the internet.. less than 30 seconds time led to this:
    http://www.plasticpipe.org/pdf/chapter06.pdf

    #7351
    Bruce Raymond
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    As always – the ultimate rule in the design world is once again proven true:
    “whoever gets there first wins”

    #7350
    Bruce Raymond
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    My comments:
    •How many of us are losing employment? …..Lots – I’ve seen 350 of a 400 workforce laid off in 1 day…
    •Who is laying off? Everyone…
    •How many designers are losing their jobs? maybe up to 40% – unfortunately a lot leave the industry for the need to keep up their families…
    •I’m in the New Orleans, LA area and the trickle has started. Will it become a deluge? always has in the past
    •I am starting to see many good people around me lose their jobs.- during turndowns – it’s not always the qualifications of the person – it’s the ability to either have a political contact – or be really really indispensable.
    •What are you seeing in your area? fire and brimstone…

    OTHER POINT – WHAT DOES THE INDUSTRY GAIN BY SUCH TURNDOWNS???
    by removing capital projects from the board – or drastically cutting TIC (Total Inclusive Cost) on projects the industry is able to manipulate the design and engineering costs on projects – drastically cutting new bids, and lowering approved contract prices… – lowering overall project costs
    how does this effect Us – The Piping Discipline??? so far hourly rates have dropped by about 25% over the last 6 months… and as long as we are forced to work to support our families – the rates will continue to drop even further – as senior (20+ year) piping designers are now being offered $45.00 per hour + no OT… (down from $65.00 + OT)
    DONT EVER FORGET – It truly is a gift to work in the Industry – especially if you are allowed to compile a successful career – if you are laid off – get a real assessment of your professional level at your exit interview.. and don’t forget – the industry always comes back around full circle.

    LAST COMMENT… don’t forget – there are pipes in food processing, breweries, waste water treatment plants.. lots of places which are never affected by turndowns…

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