[James Pennock]

Justin.Walker89, (and any one else who is interested in the same goal)
Look in the upper right area of this website at “Contents”,
Open this section and read them, study them and copy any or all you think are worth having.
If you also read the Author’s information for James O. Pennock you will see an E-Mail address. If you send me and E-Mail we can start a conversation that may be worthwhile.

[James Pennock]

My thoughts start with two specific issues:
“Definitions” – You said you want to be a “Pipe Designer”, but what is your definition of a Pipe Designer? My definition may be vastly different than your definition. There are both “Specialist” and “Generalists” in the Piping World, where do you want to be?

“Importance” – Things that you may consider important may be vastly different from what the employment office thinks is important and what is actually important. Example: All the CAD systems you listed, they are of some importance on your Resume (Cv) to get the job but once you are in the door you may not use any of them. In fact by the time you get through some training all of those systems may be outmoded. What’s important is your in-depth knowledge of pipe, fittings, valves, pipe routing, pipe support, equipment (pumps, exchangers, heaters, compressors, vessels, tanks, etc.). You need to know how to read PFD’s and P&ID’s and other system related documents.

[James Pennock]

yeosu1081.
Are you sure you want to follow the concept of the “KKS” System.
I looked it up (see link below) and got ‘see-sick’ reading the first thirty pages.
http://www.academia.edu/…/IDENTIFICATION_SYSTEM_KKS_Chapter_I_KKS_Guidelin…

I suggest we start again with some simple questions,
What are you trying to do?
What commodities are you trying to identify?
What kind of Plant is this?
Do you really need the “KKS” level of detail?

Regards,
Jop

[James Pennock]

yeosu1081,
I think you will find that this Issue “Commodity Abbreviations” is not a “Code” and is not even a “Standard”.
There are way too many Clients (Owner/Operators) and way too many EPC Companies all with their own habits and preferences to allow for a common practice.

If you look here:
https://pipingdesigners.com/wp//contents/tips-tools-training/section-1-glossary-terms-definitions/101-section-1a-piping-terms-glossary
You will see a list that includes “Commodity” designations that may be helpful

[James Pennock]

Ray,
The 4″ and 1′ dimensions you stated above were used widely at the early layout stage back in the day. However, in the end we always deferred to the actual dimensions as defined by the Structural Department foundation drawings.

I suggest you have a conversion with today’s Structural Department and see what today’s guidelines might be.

[James Pennock]

Generally speaking that it correct. However, it is recommended that a Soil Analysis be performed to se if it is really required.

Have you had a Soil Analysis performed?

Definition, Objective and Philosophy of Soil Testing
http://www.agriinfo.in/default.aspx?page=topic&superid=4&topicid=1801

[James Pennock]

Crashtested,
I am sorry you are burdened with the “young man” who maybe needs his diaper changed. :unsure:

My recommendation is as follows:
1st. The smart, well trained and experienced people from Piping and Process need to put their heads together look at what you are doing in this situation, what the ISA Standard offers and what your Client population wants and then make it your Company Standard.

2nd. Take the “young Man” aside and let him know where the line is between the technical side of the business and the Management side of the business. :angry:

[James Pennock]

Okay you are adding a Pipe Guide, but you do not say where you are adding it.
On the body of the vessel or on the non pressure Support (Skirt or Legs)?

[James Pennock]

Lee,
This sounds like a very good idea.
Now can you please furnish us with the data for this unit?
– Name?
– Maker?
– Technical data?
– Any extras or options?
– Full Cost?
– any other issues a new user would need to know?

[James Pennock]

None that I know of, sorry.

[James Pennock]

Have you checked the “Piping Terms and Definitions” list found on this web site?
Go here:
https://pipingdesigners.com/wp//contents/tips-tools-training/section-1-glossary-terms-definitions/101-section-1a-piping-terms-glossary

[James Pennock]

dweir,
Your question is too vague.
Please explain or give more detail information on the following:
– Why are you wanting to insulate Pipe Supports?
– What kind of Pipe Supports (Steel, Concrete or other)?
– Do you really mean Pipe Supports, or do you actually mean Pipe Shoes?
– Where in the world is this project (geographically and weather wise)?

[James Pennock]

aj63,
You made quite a point (………unless of course you with a certain design outfit in India who went against every industry convention that you could think of. ) about someone not doing branches like everyone else.
So, how were they doing things that was so different?

[James Pennock]

The following is Shams1’s answer.
Sorry for adding my request in the wrong location, please find below reply for your queries:
1- Noted, the request will be added in the technical forum
2- My office is ENPPI (ENgineering for Petroleum and Process Industries) – Cairo – Egypt. My company is an EPC contractor, please refer to the following link for more information:
http://www.enppi.com/

Regarding the project, its not a specific project, as I am working in the development team in Piping division in my company. We are developing new manual/template for preparing the estimated construction quantities (BOQ) or schedule unit rates (SUR) to be attached to the construction tender packages to be provided to our subcontractors to get their unit rates for construction activities. Our target is to replace current template which is based on weight (kg) basis with a new one based on dia-inch basis. So one of the main construction activities is Prefabrication and erection of jacketed Piping systems.
3- We as an engineering EPC contractor are making the design of Piping systems, issue related specification and purchase the material. We have a considerable experience in the design of jacketed Piping systems. Fabrication is performed by another subcontractor based on our issued documentation.

4- Regarding the link you sent for CSI, we dealt with them previously but with another system patented by CSI which is CSI ControTrace (new tracing technique). The main concern is that we are making the design, all what we need is the dia-inch basis to be considered for counting jacketed Piping systems to be provided to our subcontractors to get their prices for the construction.

Thanks.

[James Pennock]

– Where is your Office and where is this Project?

– Do you plan to manufacture/Fabricate your own “Jacketed Pipe”

Point #4 – Go here for information about Jacketed Piping:
http://www.csiheat.com/products/jacketed_piping.aspx
Send them a set of your drawings and they will give you a Quote for doing the whole system

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