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17 years 2 hours ago - 17 years 2 hours ago #8652 by riz_john
help !!! pipe spacing was created by riz_john
hello there....do you have table for standard pipe to pipe spacing .....

i really need it for plant piping.

thank you very much for your help!!!

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17 years 32 minutes ago - 17 years 32 minutes ago #3993 by Anton
Replied by Anton on topic If you click the "Tools"
If you click the "Tools" button (above), then click the small "piping" heading, you will see pipe spacing charts for both welded and flanged piping.

Hope that helps.
Anton

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16 years 11 months ago - 16 years 11 months ago #3995 by Jop
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riz_john,

It is always helpful to know, understand and remember the basis for line spacing. Different engineering companies and owner(client) companies may have their rules but the most common minimum pipe spacing rule is as follows:
- Flange-to-pipe + clearance (+ insulation if any)

This means:
For hot insulated lines, line spacing includes 1/2 the O. D. of the flange for one line (largest if different sizes) + 1/2 the O. D. of the other pipe + 25mm (1") + the thickness of the insulation on the smaller line (if any)

(Note: There can be an exception to this Rule. See additional comments below)

Cold insulated line), line spacing includes 1/2 the O. D. of the flange for one line (largest if different sizes) + 1/2 the O. D. of the other pipe + 25mm (1") + the thickness of the insulation on the flange + the thickness of the insulation on the smaller line

Notes:
1, It is common practice to always stagger flanges when ever possible.
2, It is common practice to insulate the pipe in hot servics and leave the flanges bare.
3, It is common practice to insulate both the pipe and the flanges in cold services.

In cases where flanges cannot be staggered then the rule is adjusted as follows:
- Flange-to-flange + 25mm (1") (+ any insulation on the flanges)

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16 years 11 months ago - 16 years 11 months ago #3996 by riz_john
Replied by riz_john on topic thanks
i would like to thank all of you, for answering my questions and sharing your knowledge to a rookie like me.....

you guys are really great help......my best regards to all of you!!!!

good luck and more power

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16 years 11 months ago - 16 years 11 months ago #4002 by Jop
Replied by Jop on topic The comments I made above
The comments I made above were correct but incomplete therefore could be misleading.

The statement I made was "take 1/2 the flange diameter of the largest line."

This is not always correct. You should take 1/2 the flange diameter of the flange that has the greater flange width or extension. The extension if a flange is equal to the radius of the flange minus the radius of the pipe.

Example:
Line (a) 24" 150#
Line (b) 8" 1500#
Which line would you use for the "1/2 flange dimension" in the calculation for line spacing?

The flange width for line (a) is 4"
The flange width for line (b) is 5.188"

If you use the normal pipe spacing rule then the flange of line (b) will hit the pipe of line (a).

I have created a spreadsheet showing the worst case flange extensions for all of the standard flange sizes and ratings.
I will be happy to send it to anyone who would like to have it.
Just E-Mail me This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and ask for the]"Quick Worst Case Flange Extension Chart"[/color]

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16 years 11 months ago - 16 years 11 months ago #4010 by EliutBB
Replied by EliutBB on topic Hello Jop, Very interesting subject, as
Hello Jop,

Very interesting subject, as you said many clients have different rules, for example here in Mexico Pemex were allways content with a 2" span between the edge of the flange and the edge of the OD of the smaller pipe (plus insulation). But recently they want 3" the result is that we have to make bigger racks now, my theory about why they decided to change that rule is poor flexibilty design in past projects (oh, yes I'v seen it, and that is curiously related to other post you made in the Canada forum: pipingdesigners.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17 )

BTW I have allways liked this forum and found usefull information, I just recently decided to post something here and stop just lurking. I really like what I do and hope I can help others to enjoy it too, with what little I have learned over the years.

Cheers!
Eliut

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