Full vacuum condition?

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14 years 4 months ago - 14 years 4 months ago #7707 by kannapiran.mech
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In the equipment data sheet, the external pressure is given as full vacuum condition. My senior told full vacuum indicates atmospheric pressure of 1 bar (I know that the vacuum pressure is below the atmospheric pressure).
Is it correct? If it is correct means then why using the word 'full vacuum condition'?
If it is wrong means kindly tell me what it indicates?

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14 years 4 months ago - 14 years 4 months ago #5517 by Jop
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In everyday usage, vacuum is a volume of space that is essentially empty of matter, such that its gaseous pressure is much less than atmospheric pressure.[1] The word comes from the Latin term for "empty". Even putting aside the complexities of the quantum vacuum, the classical notion of a perfect vacuum with gaseous pressure of exactly zero is only a philosophical concept and never is observed in practice. Physicists often discuss ideal test results that would occur in a perfect vacuum, which they simply call "vacuum" or "free space", and use the term partial vacuum to refer to real vacuum. The Latin term in vacuo is also used to describe an object as being in what would otherwise be a vacuum.

The quality of a vacuum refers to how closely it approaches a perfect vacuum. Residual gas pressure is a primary indicator of quality, and is most commonly measured in units called torr, even in metric contexts. Lower pressures indicate higher quality, although other variables must also be taken into account. See ultra-high vacuum. Quantum theory sets limits for the best possible quality of vacuum, predicting that no volume of space can be perfectly empty. See QCD vacuum, for example. Outer space and interstellar space are naturally occurring high quality vacuums, mostly of much higher quality than can be created artificially with current technology. Low quality artificial vacuums have been used for suction for many years.

Vacuum has been a frequent topic of philosophical debate since Ancient Greek times, but was not studied empirically until the 17th century. Evangelista Torricelli produced the first laboratory vacuum in 1643, and other experimental techniques were developed as a result of his theories of atmospheric pressure. A torricellian vacuum is created by filling a tall glass container closed at one end with mercury and then inverting the container into a bowl to contain the mercury.[2]

Vacuum became a valuable industrial tool in the 20th century with the introduction of incandescent light bulbs and vacuum tubes, and a wide array of vacuum technology has since become available. The recent development of human spaceflight has raised interest in the impact of vacuum on human health, and on life forms in general.

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14 years 4 months ago - 14 years 4 months ago #5527 by shrivallabha
Replied by shrivallabha on topic Re: Full vacuum condition?
You are correct, if I had to bet. There are two ways to define it:

1. Gauge Pressure: This is the differential Pressure indicated by the gauge above 'Atmospheric' condition.
In this case, full vacuum will be 1 bar (negative)
FV = - 1 bar

2. Absolute Pressure: This is sum total of Atmospheric Pressure and Gauge Pressure
Absolute Pressure = Atmospheric Pressure + Gauge Pressure
In this case, full vacuum will mean 0 bar
FV = 0 bar

So he needs to be clear about which pressure he's referring to: Either Gauge Pressure Or Absolute Pressure.

This may not be necessary but the Vessel wall thickness is calculated for both conditions, internal and external pressure conditions i.e. Explosion and Implosion.

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14 years 2 months ago - 14 years 2 months ago #5648 by vishal.khadke
Replied by vishal.khadke on topic Re: Full vacuum condition?
Dear kannapiran.mech,
Further to what srivallabha has said, let us consider a situation in which a vessel is connected to a vacuum producing equipment. When the vessel is open to atmosphere then the differntial pressure across its wall will be zero. Now when vessel is completely sealed & full vaccum is created in the vessel then differtial pressure accross the walls of the reactor will ~1bar (acting in the inside direction). This is because the atmospheric pressure is 1.013 bar abs. In case of equipments operating under high degree of vacuum,design pressure is generally stated as -1.0 barg OR Full Vacuum (F.V.) in material data sheets. Sometimes it is also possible that the vessel is designed for both positive pressure ( pressure inside greater than atmospheric) as well as full vacuum.
Thanks,
VISHAL

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