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High Pressure Steam- Tapping a Blind Flange- Urgent Advice
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15 years 1 month ago - 15 years 1 month ago #7518 by bobrussell
High Pressure Steam- Tapping a Blind Flange- Urgent Advice was created by bobrussell
Ok, guys I am in a 9 line bind. I have a small issue with a High Pressure steam line. And a hard headed engineer. Due to space limitations in the field, I need to tap a 16" 600# Blind Flange CS A105, I need to place an 8" 90 deg Ell directly to the flange. I need some engineering back up that this is possible.
Operating Conditions are:
47Barg @ 390C and 40T/HR
Basically using the blind as a slip on.
Bob
Operating Conditions are:
47Barg @ 390C and 40T/HR
Basically using the blind as a slip on.
Bob
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15 years 1 month ago - 15 years 1 month ago #5047 by Jop
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I was hoping that someone else would jump in on this before now and offer something. It did not happen, so, I will try.
You say you have a space problem. Okay. how much of a space problem?
From the face of the fixed flange, how far is it to the obstruction?
What is the orientation of this problem? Is this like a drip leg that will draw off liquid from a gas stream? Are your limits between the face of flange and a floor, the paving or grade?
What is your limits on obtaining other piping materials?
With-in the time frame of the project can you obtain a 16" x 8" reducing Weld Neck Flange and an 8" Short Radius ELL?
I am suggestion a Reducing Weld-Neck (instead of a modified Blind flange as a Slip-On) then a Short Radius ELL (instead of a Long Radius Ell).
Another point. None of the Slip-On Flange charts I have show 600# Flange/ELL combination dimensions. So assuming that you insert the ELL 3/4" into the 3" thick Blind Flange 1-1/4".
The difference between what you have planned (as best as I can tell) and what I am suggesting is 1-1/2 inches.
You also did not define any Insulation, so both methods must allow for the some thickness for the insulation,
Something to think about.
You say you have a space problem. Okay. how much of a space problem?
From the face of the fixed flange, how far is it to the obstruction?
What is the orientation of this problem? Is this like a drip leg that will draw off liquid from a gas stream? Are your limits between the face of flange and a floor, the paving or grade?
What is your limits on obtaining other piping materials?
With-in the time frame of the project can you obtain a 16" x 8" reducing Weld Neck Flange and an 8" Short Radius ELL?
I am suggestion a Reducing Weld-Neck (instead of a modified Blind flange as a Slip-On) then a Short Radius ELL (instead of a Long Radius Ell).
Another point. None of the Slip-On Flange charts I have show 600# Flange/ELL combination dimensions. So assuming that you insert the ELL 3/4" into the 3" thick Blind Flange 1-1/4".
The difference between what you have planned (as best as I can tell) and what I am suggesting is 1-1/2 inches.
You also did not define any Insulation, so both methods must allow for the some thickness for the insulation,
Something to think about.
Do it once and Do it Right
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